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you’re not going to notice like, vocal responses right away (edited)

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initial responses begin in a form of like a “right” and “wrong” feeling. It’s kind of binary.

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it comes in the feeling of “head pressure” like that ASMR tingly feeling. That is because tulpaforcing entrances your brain to be suggestible to these changes

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but to do that you need to meditate to enter a trancelike state of mind.

^

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all of that

I’m gonna tell you a method that works well for me

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K

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Sit up straight, back erect, breathe in and out steadily (in through nose, out through mouth) and listen for the sound of a blaring foghorn.

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(You can listen to like rain or white noise or whatever too if that helps)

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you need to listen like, deeply for the foghorn. You’ll never hear it obviously, but your sort of sense of space will “shift” and expand.

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And you should maintain awareness of this feeling

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in this awareness, imagine and ruminate on your tulpa. There are various symbolic things you can picture going on to help with this. One tried and true method is imagining her form in the center of like a space, and the personality traits that you imagine her having sort of “pouring” into her like an energy

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with the belief that “this is how she is”

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negative, positive, likes dislikes

It is very wrong to say that initial responses will come in a certain way.

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There's no reason you'll get a specific type of response in the head or anywhere else.

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You don't need to give her specific personality traits if you don't want to, either.

They don’t magically spout into existence.

you're right but you don't have to define them that much either

deviation is the process of tulpas sort of chipping at the mold and making themselves different

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but that doesn’t occur until after you as a host lay a groundwork.

The groundwork doesn't have to be specifically defining personality traits.

Allun is quite fine and all I decided I wanted for her was appearance and what I don't want her to be (which is someone who hates me (very long story that I'm not explaining))

then what else is it dbuddy

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You need to imagine in essence who your tulpa is, and reinforce the belief that they are real in this meditative trance state.

yes but being real doesn't mean being defined

you are inserting them into reality through a defined “image” of what they are

you need to recognize that they are not you that doesn't mean you have to define every detail about them (you can and there's nothing wrong with it but you don't have to)

Shouldn't be hard

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It takes discipline and time.

Thunder, 2 of us had success this way, so how can you tell us it's not possible?

how am I supposed to answer a question like that

It takes time to fully believe them and if you don't fully define them it may slow their growth a bit but that doesn't mean you have to fully define them

“It worked for me so how can you say that” is a bogus response. You can say that about literally anything and no one can refute you because there’s no proof it did or didn’t work either way.

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I could say rubbing oranges across my face caused my tulpa to come into existence and there’s no way anyone can say it didn’t work

some people define a lot, some people don't, but belief and attention seem to be constant from what ive seen

because tulpa autonomy comes from gradually suggested belief in their existence

I'd say give them a form to move around with and just talk to them, ask them what they think of things in yes or no questions, that's all you really have to do they'll start to develop on their own by observing, nothing wrong with giving them more but that's all I needed

and the only way to cement this belief is through meditation

you don't need to define them to belevie they exist

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I agree it takes a lot of meditation and forcing

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but defining them isn't a necessary part of that

Would you not argue that parroting/puppeting them is just as bad as giving them a rigorous model to follow in personality. (edited)

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Is it weird that I'm a dickhead to myself and her simultaneously?

...how?

Im not saying deviation is bad

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I’m saying having a general idea of who they are before you make them is an important step.

giving them a rigorous model to follow isn't a bad thing but you don't HAVE to do it

I'll say something and then I'll have a negatively charged passing thought that totally contradicts me

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I’m sorry but I don’t put any belief into this freeform methodology.

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It’s too chaotic

puppeting is bad that's why I said don't expect an answer and when you're unsure ask them in yes or no terms who it was they'll answer honestly

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it's literally just how babies learn tho?

A tulpa is not a baby

I know but that doesn't mean they can't use the same mechanisms to learn

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it isn't needed but it works

That’s impossible when they share a brain with you.

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No one?

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K

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You’re creating a thoughtform

i'm not sure what you mean, Nathan

tulpas are illusions of independent entities

No it isn't? Babies learn through observing the world, an undefined tulpa can learn by observing the world and your memories

i'd argue with that. I don't see Em as an illusion at all

Yes a tulpa can deviate through living experience but in their initial creation you need a basis to define them.

technically yes but your memories can serve as that basis

“Illusion” as in, you’re using suggestion to bring them into reality.

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ok, so would you not argue that saying your memories are a basis is not the same as saying “I’m giving her personality traits as a template”

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you’re still imposing a “skeleton” onto them.

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They’ll change over time anyway.

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The idea is setting a ground work.

the difference is by defining personality traits you define how they interpret things, by not giving them personality traits they can interpret your memories on their own and come to different conclusions

@Talin I tell her that I'll be with her no matter what and then something happens and a passing thought goes to say that it won't happen or something

ground work can be loose, telling people it has to be strict is the problem, define them as much or as little as you want, if you spend enough time with them, believing that they are or will be independent they will become independant

have i told you about the app Headspace and the technique Side of the Road?

Yeah

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I'm on day three

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I’m not saying it needs to be strict

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I’m saying you need to give them something to work with and allow it to adapt over time.

i'd highly reccomend it. learning that will teach you that not every thought you have needs to be associated with. Then only the intentional thoughts are "picked up" as it were

but they already have something to work with

@Deleted User That's not being an asshole to anyone. We've already told you that intrusive thoughts don't matter. Please listen, it's very important.

you are something to work with

how is the app? where would i find the lesson or whatever on it once i sign up

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o.o

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for side of the road

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i've been doing pranayama or w/e just basic stuff, should i check it out sometime?

I do but it just pisses me off that I myself am technically saying these things

You have been forcing for three days?

supplying a tulpa with your own personal memories inherently tacks on your own personal perspectives and biases to them

it's in the Basic pack, and i think they begin to specifically mention it on "day" 4

cool, thankie

@Reguile me?

yeah

and as for the app as a whole, it's awesome. loads of guided meditations

because your memories are merely a product your perception of the world

:O

I've been learning to meditate

does it talk you through meditation?